Crazy Idea for eRep

[Addy Lawrence]

11:54 Addy_Lawrence i have an idea to bounce off of you
11:54 Addy_Lawrence is there any advantage in this game
11:55 Addy_Lawrence to having all the member nations of an alliance
11:55 Addy_Lawrence belong to the same country?
11:55 Addy_Lawrence for example
11:55 Addy_Lawrence say that the brolliance decides
11:55 Addy_Lawrence that they really like
11:55 Addy_Lawrence the south african flag
11:55 Addy_Lawrence and we all "submit" to south africa
11:55 Addy_Lawrence no need for export licenses
11:55 Addy_Lawrence no need to take over regions
11:56 Addy_Lawrence we have eusa's oil
11:56 Addy_Lawrence we have ecan's tits
11:56 Addy_Lawrence we can attack any zone because it belongs to us
11:56 Addy_Lawrence "us"
11:56 Addy_Lawrence political stability is achieved
11:56 Addy_Lawrence because there is only one nation to keep stable
11:56 Addy_Lawrence and if it is "taken over"
11:57 Addy_Lawrence we RW
11:57 Addy_Lawrence and all become eCanadian
11:57 Addy_Lawrence or eUS
11:57 Addy_Lawrence has this come up before?

This is a pm i left on IRC before the person split.

What are your thoughts on this and campaigning for this?

[James McNamara]

You sir are insane, it could work but it would take massive amount of cooperation and money O_O

[aeriala]

The most obvious reason it wouldn't work is because it would require total co-operation. It goes against human nature. There'll always be a splitter or in this case, lots of them.

[Addy Lawrence]

It would definitely be vulnerable to dissension in the ranks however the mechanism to do it would be RW, a natural rebellion.

[Addy Lawrence]

Think about it, one nation that includes say Spain, Greece, US and Canada.

There wouldn't be "prime time" risk.

European nations could fight and transition the control to northamerican regions naturally.

We would be able to fight most anywhere in the world where we are being attacked simply by attacking, no tickets.

Political parties would be more national centric.

[James McNamara]

I guess it could be beinifaical but serriously there is no way its going to happen.

I in another crazy Idea, I want to rename eCanada to Empire of Penguin

[jbdivinus]

Theoretically, the idea is great. the problem is it is so difficult to prevent all RW's from succeeding.

If one does succeed, there are 2 extremely expensive options, and 1 smarter, better option which I just thought of

1) We declare war...this is a huge problem in all cases as the DoW will be astronomical.
2) We change flags. We'd have to conquer every region, leaving us vulnerable to attacks while it happens. Would still be hugely expensive.
3) the new nation's congress declares war on US (not USA), which will cost nothing because they will have the population of one region. after the DoW is made, a simple 1 region attack-retreat works.

The more I think about it, that third option makes life real easy. What we could even do is leave 1 region of each country alone, surrounded by us. This region would serve as the home of that country's government, and prevent, in the case of an RW succeeding, open citizenship.

[Damien Wolf]

First off i love the idea. my worry is during election, and how like someone else said there will always be a splitter.
I'd love it if this came into effect but sadly i doubt most players will have the optimism a project so large requires. But then again anything innovative comes with a lot of criticism.

One main problem i see with this would be that patriotism will become a b*tch. Mainly because there may be many eCanadians or eAmericans who would hate to fight under another flag.

But if youre serious about this idea then you have my full support.

I in another crazy Idea, I want to rename eCanada to Empire of Penguin

Not so crazy

[curtis l]

It's a good idea in theory, but I don't think it would work out so well.

I think it would end up being more unstable than the way things are now.

[Addy Lawrence]

I really like those suggestions.

The cost to take over the regions can be reduced if you move the people out before hand. Evacuate, attack, retreat.

[jbdivinus]

With zombies are dying and being removed from the population for once, this does become more feasible.

The question of patriotism is a good one though, I wonder if all the war would be more beneficial than the ability to call upon patriotism.
What happens when someone seperates?

[Damien Wolf]

What happens when someone seperates?

I guess they just take the original region through rw?

[Addy Lawrence]

When you seperate, you RW your region.

Move your people out, reduce the cost of the RW and then fight.

The alliance would be foolish to fight against itself, the enemy would take advantage.

It has its downfalls but this is a strategy that nobody has employed yet.

[Auk Rest]

The only reason this wouldn't work would be constant RWs to try to PTO a country.

[James McNamara]

The only reason this wouldn't work would be constant RWs to try to PTO a country.

I think this is a major reason why this has never been tried

[Damien Wolf]

The only reason this wouldn't work would be constant RWs to try to PTO a country.

I think this is a major reason why this has never been tried

but wouldnt it be harder to PTO considering the size of the active population?

[Addy Lawrence]

Exactly!

JB raises a good point, each member nation would have to retain ONE REGION ONLY to maintain control over citizenship and also to "indoctrinate" new citizens into the game when they wonder why Canadian regions are all South African.

The size of the population in the "alliance" nation should be enough to stamp out resistance wars.

Cripes, resistance wars would be the alliance's training war mechanism.

[Damien Wolf]

why does this idea make more sense each time i read it

the only main obstacle that i see now is the patriotism.

other than that i think its a very complete idea.

EDIT: The nation we choose to be the union , eg: eSA, might not like it as they dont get control over who gets to be their CP, i dont think this is too much of a problem but a problem nonetheless.

[devilcarrier]

I support this idea.
Addy has always been excellent at propaganda and it will be positive propaganda that could make this grand scheme work. There is the appeal of building something totally new and totally huge and powerful, such was the appeal that brought the provinces together in confederation. For the patriotism problem, there is a possibility of channeling the patriotism into pride in how the individual nationalities support and strengthen the greater confederation, such as the pride Greek, Italian, Irish Americans all take in their ethnicity contributing to the great melting pot. As Addy says, once the confederation is formed, conscious schooling in the form of media messages, pms, irc and forum chat, would be needed to indoctrinate new players into the great vision.

[Auk Rest]

So the country(s) that would be put into the union (except one region) could still just reform political parties within the eSA (or whomever) system. However, does this then make the one region country also susceptible to PTO if its citizens get SA citizenship. The only way that could remedy this is having a 'core' of trustworthy people the only ones with eCanadian citizenship and not to accept any more citizenships. Still, multis being born in Canada could be a problem and present a PTO the admins won't do anything about.

[jbdivinus]

Auk Rest is essentially correct. Trusted people would have to be in power in the 1 region nations. Unfortunately multi PTO's occur anyways, so I don't think it should be a deterrent.

Also, I'm not sure if this was mentioned...1 region nations could easily make bridges for allies, or be used just for doubleteams and such.

[Damien Wolf]

what if the region is somewhere well within the unions territory, so the bridging problem shouldnt be there unless i am missing something

[jbdivinus]

it would be well within, but it would be able to attack/retreat to any point in the union as well. Say poland needed to come through the union, but had MPP with us. one 1 region nation, just creates a path, after which point those territories are just re conquered.

[sean92]

I guess it could be beinifaical but serriously there is no way its going to happen.

I in another crazy Idea, I want to rename eCanada to Empire of Penguin

nah empire off miley wood b better lol

[Sponsored content]